#082: The Frequency of Love: Wind Chimes, Grief, and Becoming With Breck White

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Maddox: Hello, hello to everybody out there in Creative Land! This is Ron. Ron, oh my god!

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Dwight: You deadnamed yourself.

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breck: Nope.

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Maddox: I take that back. This is Maddox. I can't believe that I did that. That is so weird. Yes, you know me as Maddox. This is Dwight, my co-host. We're here for another episode of For the Love of Creatives, and today…

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Maddox: Our guest is Breck.

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Maddox: BRAC… I should know this. Help me out.

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Maddox: Break white.

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breck: Yes. But quite, yes.

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Maddox: Yes.

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breck: Yes, thank you.

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Maddox: I get a little leeway… I'm a senior citizen, I get a little.

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breck: No worries, yes, brack-white.

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Dwight: Oh, welcome.

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Maddox: Breck, we're so glad to have you.

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breck: Thank you, thank you for having me and bringing me on to speak with you guys this morning. I'm so excited to talk about this subject that is such a passion for me and my life.

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Maddox: You know, I want to tell our listeners that the way we know Breck, and we really don't know Breck, but…

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Maddox: We were at a wedding of close friends about a month ago, a month ago, a month and two days ago, and Breck was a guest at the wedding, and we met her, and we're always, always scouting for interesting and…

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Maddox: Wonderful creatives and people.

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Maddox: And so, we met Breck, and we… she told us a little bit about our story. We loved what little we heard, we can't wait to hear more.

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Maddox: here we are. So, we really don't know much more than you guys that are listening, so we're gonna hear some of this for the first time as well. So, Breck, tell our listeners a little bit, one to two minutes.

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Maddox: Who you are, and what you're about, and then we'll get into the weeds!

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breck: Yeah, that sounds amazing. Thank you, Maddox and Dwight. My name's Breck White, and I recently, a year ago, started a business called Love Chimes, and that is what sparked Maddox and Dwight while we were talking. It was actually their,

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breck: necklaces that caught my eye, and I asked them about it, and we just hit it off from there. I started a business where I…

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breck: cherish learning about people's lives that have passed, and I love wind chimes, and I love the frequency of love, and so I decided to put it all together and create one-of-a-kind custom art pieces that emit the frequency of love.

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Dwight: That's such beautiful work, and I… I can't tell you just how taken I am with… your story is… it couldn't be more timely for me. I know, as someone who has had to deal with grief.

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breck: With that.

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Dwight: it changes who we are, and I love the way that you put it. You said something to the effect that it's one of those things that doesn't… love is something that doesn't die, it just changes, and… Yeah. So spot on.

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breck: Yeah, it, it came… the story starts, and, the history of it is I had a dear friend of mine that passed whenever I was 14 years old.

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breck: She was my best friend, and unfortunately, it was a tragic thing, and she was buried under a tree. And whenever I would go out and visit her grave, we would take wind chimes. So whenever I would go out there, there would be many, many wind chimes.

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breck: under, you know, just… everybody would bring a different one chime, and it was… it was beautiful. And I would sit at her grave, and I would just sit under the tree, and I would listen, and I would listen to

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breck: All the wind chimes, and

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breck: So ever since that story, I actually would create people and give people who had people in their lives that had passed, a wind chime, and I would maybe put a name or a date or something on it. You can buy wind chimes.

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breck: you know, anywhere and put names and dates on them. And my mom's best friend just recently passed a few years ago, and I wanted to make her something very, very special. I wanted something custom for her.

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breck: her and her best friend's life story visualized in a wind chime. And I searched and searched and searched, and I couldn't find it, so I said.

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breck: Well, looks like I have to do it, because it's not out there.

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breck: And…

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Dwight: How could we have known that it would have sparked a way that you can allow for so many others to get something that's a one-of-one piece.

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Dwight: It's something that's infused with something that's deeply personal to them, and they actually get a piece of you as well.

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breck: They do. They get a piece of meat. I feel so blessed to

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breck: honestly hear the stories of the lives of people that I get to… to talk to them about,

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breck: it… it opens up my heart. It… I get to hear stories of people's moms and dads and friends, and, you know, it is…

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breck: It's…

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breck: So, I am so grateful that I get to hear people tell me about the people that they love and the connections that they made during their lives, and then I just get to take a story and use my creative abilities and go, this is what I would create if I was to create a memorial in the… of that person, your connection, and their life.

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breck: We also do work with ashes. If anybody would like us to, build in ashes, we can build the actual essence of the person or pet into the wind chime. So, that's something else that we… we do.

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Maddox: You know, you've added such a magical touch to something that was already magical.

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breck: A lot.

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Maddox: I've had a lifelong love.

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Maddox: of, of…

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Maddox: chimes of some sort. There was a time in my life where every time I went out of town, traveled anywhere, I would seek out and find a wind chime from the destination that I was in and bring it back, and I had quite a collection.

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Maddox: And then at one point in life, I didn't have any place to put that collection, and I let them all go.

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Maddox: And I… I wish I hadn't done that, but, you know, it's… it's hindsight. I now have 3 wind chimes, and they're not connected to anything, any experience, or any location, or place that I've visited. I just discovered them and thought they were…

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Maddox: they were unique. There was something about them, mostly the sound that was very unique, and there's a set of three that hang out on our balcony, and there's kind of a…

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Maddox: A soprano, an alto, and a mezzo, so they're different ranges and different sizes, and they add… they sing all the time, and you could.

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Maddox: No matter where you are in the house.

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Maddox: And they just bring so much,

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Maddox: even though those aren't associated with somebody that I love, they still bring love into… it's music!

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breck: It just…

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Maddox: It brings… and because it's not…

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Maddox: Something that's ever the same twice.

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Maddox: It's magical.

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breck: It is magical.

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Dwight: And I would say you're kind of holding your… the cards close to the chest, because I'd say that there is kind of a love story with those chimes, because the very first of them was actually nearly destroyed by a storm. It was broken, and went into the dirt, and…

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Dwight: We thought that there was no saving them, but we sent them off to get repaired, and it took a while for them to come back, and

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Dwight: I… I went and actually got… I don't know if it was the… the tinklers or the… the next size up.

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Dwight: It was good.

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Maddox: Tinklers, you, you brought the… you got me the, Sopranos for Christmas a couple.

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Dwight: Yes.

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Dwight: Because you, you love those chimes so much.

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Dwight: And so, I didn't want you to be without them, and the way that we put things off, no chimes were up for over 2 years, I would say.

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Dwight: But when you decided that you wanted to have them there, you got the ones that I gave you, the ones that were repaired, and a whole new set.

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breck: What's…

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Dwight: And so now those… those chimes are the soundtrack to all the memories we're making.

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breck: Ugh.

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Maddox: Yes.

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breck: Yeah.

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breck: It is. It is something about…

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breck: you know, what… what those sounds of those chimes bring up into your memory. It really is.

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breck: emotions… we all know that emotions bring up our memories. Every time I hear a chime, you know, my mom has a chime, not that I made, but

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breck: the one that sparked love chimes, because I couldn't find somebody to make me a custom one, I ended up getting one where you could just put the name and date, and, you know, she hung it on the back porch, and

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breck: the… her grandson goes out there and just rings it and goes, Hi, Mel, you know? And he… he rings it, and it is like a… and my mom, that was her best friend, and she… it brings her joy just to even…

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breck: let the grandson know that that, you know, he knew Mel, and he associates that wind chime with the… with the spirit of Mel, and her watching over.

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breck: Them. Yeah.

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Dwight: And such a beautiful way for them to stay connected.

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breck: It is.

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Dwight: But…

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Dwight: That love connection is so strong that it transcends just the things that we can see and hear and touch in the here and now.

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Maddox: Breck, I'd like to hear a little bit of origin story.

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Maddox: Tell us about…

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Maddox: The very beginning, not the chimes, it's way before the chimes, the very beginning when you first discovered that you were drawn to create whatever.

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Maddox: How old were you? How did you discover it? What did you discover? What was that first form of creativity that grabbed you and you knew that you had to be

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Maddox: making.

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breck: a creator.

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breck: Yeah, that's a great question, Maddox, thank you. I've been remodeling since I was a little girl. I can tear down a wall, I can paint something, I can… my creativity has always been within,

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breck: designing… designing bathrooms, you know, putting whole designs together, rearranging walls, rearranging electrical, plumbing, like, I just visualize it in my head, and I can… I can see where it's gonna go, and then I…

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breck: make it happen. So it's a large scale of creativity that I can design it in my head and then also do it with my hands. Thank you to my grandpa, because he taught me and my mom everything I know about remodeling.

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breck: That that's really where my creativity comes from, and you can see the… the backs of my… my walls here. They're… my office is all colors. It's,

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breck: I paint, colors in my house, I paint things to be unusual, and that's where, really, my creativity comes from.

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breck: You know, whenever I was a little girl, I think that you kind of lose your creativity a little bit, because you have to go to school, and you have to be productive, and you gotta go and make money, and, you know, you… I did all of that, and my self-trust and my creativity didn't come back until, later on in life, and I've been on a journey of trusting my instinct, and…

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breck: Having trust in myself.

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breck: And trust in that creativity.

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breck: I don't think… if I hadn't have been on that journey, that I ever would have just gone.

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breck: I think I can make a wind chime, and… and… and trust myself to go, you know what, I can make a wind chime, you know? Because wind chimes…

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breck: they are a little bit more complicated than people may think. We actually talked to, when I say we, I see me and my sister.

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breck: we talked to a wind chime engineer, and I didn't know him from anybody, and I looked on the internet, and, his name's Lee, and I said, if Lee responds back to my email, that he will get on a Zoom call with us and talk to me about making the wind chimes the frequency of love, 528, I said.

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breck: that is a sign that we have to do this, because, you know, I'm scared, I'm fearful, I'm starting… I've never…

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breck: I've never done that before. I've never started a business. I just had an idea and said, this is what I want to do, and

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breck: Lee got on a call with us. He was in Seattle.

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breck: He said, heck yeah, I'll get on a call with you. He talked to us for hours about wind chime engineering, the materials, the sound that they make, the thickness of the walls, how long that you cut them. That's where we started, and I said, I can't believe I just emailed a random stranger, and he got on a call with me.

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breck: And…

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breck: sat and talked to me about wind chime engineering. This is obviously the universe that's telling me I need to go down this path.

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Maddox: You know, Breck, that actually says a lot about you.

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breck: No.

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Maddox: Energetically, we put things out into the universe, even when we don't realize we are.

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Maddox: And there is, an energy it emits from you that…

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Maddox: Anybody else might have called to him, and he wouldn't have responded at all.

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Maddox: You know, he… there was something in… I don't know whether you sent him an email, or left him a voicemail, or how you did that, but there was some energetic thing in the message that you sent…

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Maddox: that prompted him to respond.

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breck: Yeah.

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breck: Yeah, I was, very thankful, for him to give me

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breck: The knowledge and confidence to take that first step, and taking the first step, and then you just continue to keep taking steps.

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breck: The second step was ordering a CNC machine, and if you guys are familiar with CNC machines, they're these large routers that you hook your computer up to, and they…

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breck: you know, we'll create designs and cut things into wood, and that was our first step, is I said.

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breck: I think I'm just gonna do it. And I got on, I ordered a CNC machine. Me and my sister sat it up in the garage one day, and I said, well, let's figure out how to use this thing. And there was a lot of tears. There was a lot of tears, I thought, that I…

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breck: was so, like, mechanical, and it can't be that hard, you know? Oh, man. I mean, we have a wall of shame of the many, many disasters that happened in learning how to use a CNC machine. So, when I say CNC machine, a CNC machine cuts out the circle, and then we have bits that

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breck: put our logo into a piece of wood, you know, and so you put a piece of wood out there, and it does… that cuts the circle and does all of this for you, and we had to learn how to do that.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: You know.

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Dwight: It's amazing.

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Maddox: I, I, I think… I think you need to call that wall something else.

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breck: Not the wall of shame?

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Dwight: No.

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Dwight: Well, I… think about it like this.

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Maddox: gender.

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Dwight: Yeah, it's… it's documenting progress.

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Dwight: And there are so many, so many who would have given up because it wasn't just absolutely perfect.

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breck: Yeah.

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Dwight: They would have taken that as the sign that, oh, well, I gotta fold up and just go get a bag of Cheetos and sit on the couch and watch Netflix, because this isn't happening.

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Maddox: Dwight, that wall represents progress, but it also represents Courage.

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Maddox: and determination.

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Maddox: and a myriad of more things. If you sat for a.

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breck: dominant.

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Maddox: pondered, what else does that wall represent, you would come up with a list.

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Maddox: Perseverance and the adjectives go on.

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Dwight: Well, and it's also a part of the education. It's something that allowed you to build character.

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breck: Yeah. You know.

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Dwight: exactly what not to do, because you've had the lived experience.

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breck: Yes, yes, we learned a lot of what not to do, and

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breck: a lot of time, and I'm so grateful for my sister. She,

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breck: I just gave her an idea, and I said, you want to do this? You want to learn this? And she said, absolutely, I do. And, I used to have a story in my life that I would tell that people didn't support me, and that…

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breck: I've been able to change that story in my life. I have really great people who believe in me and support me, and what gratitude I have for that.

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Maddox: I think it's the wall of appreciation.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: Stop and think about it for a minute. If you had set that machine up, and it just did it on the first try.

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Maddox: You wouldn't have nearly the appreciation that you have for the complexity and challenge and difficulty of that.

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Maddox: Except for you looking at that wall, and that wall represents… that… that… Yeah.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: That appreciation that, wow, look how far we came from that first try.

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Maddox: NOW!

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Dwight: Yeah, I think I see a content set up for your next story on Instagram, for sure.

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breck: That's true. I should turn it around to the Perseverance, because it did. It took a lot. We have,

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breck: a lot of…

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breck: of learning pieces of this before to get here. There was a lot of learning. You know, there's such detail that goes into everything you do that you just wouldn't think about, and I…

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breck: naively went into opening a business that I honestly didn't know a whole lot about. So, I always wondered why people didn't do what I do. I know now why people don't do what I do, because you need a machine

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breck: for your wood and your CNC, if you actually want to not cut it out by hand and sand it and, you know, do it all by hand.

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breck: And then you need a laser. And not only do you need a CO2 laser, but you need a fiber laser. Because a CO2 laser only does certain materials, and then your fiber laser laser only does certain materials.

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breck: So, then you have to learn how to do a CO2 laser, then you have to learn how to do a fiber laser, and then we coat ours with,

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Maddox: I think I got it. I think, you know, the music industry has the Hall of Fame.

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Dwight: Well, and so those are fails, but you hear that and you think, oh my gosh, that sounds.

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breck: put up or shut up. You really trust in yourself, you really think, you know, that you… that you know that inside of you, then here's where you put the…

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breck: have such a passion and confidence to talk to people who think that it's silly. Well, why would you do that? Why would you… there's already wind chimes, you can already go buy a wind chime, you can already do this, and it's just a hobby for you guys. You guys don't actually, like.

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breck: the words of people are like, nobody's gonna care about that. Like, it's just a wind chime, nobody's gonna pay that much for a wind chime, nobody cares, you know? And I'm just like, I do, and I think other people do.

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Maddox: you know, the company where I bought my wind chimes in, they're not… they're not custom.

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Maddox: Yes, I completely agree with you. People do care about this. I mean, I jumped through hoops to travel to get fragile wind chimes that were made out of ceramic and glass and things.

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Maddox: Yep, I'm gonna ask her to be on the podcast. I don't know why I haven't.

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breck: Yeah, and it's such an interesting story about how Carla and I met in Guatemala. I mean, I meet so many people traveling, and

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breck: You know, and we would hit it off, and she would happen to have a wedding, and I would be like, heck yeah, I'm gonna be their girl, I got you, and you know, what a… what a beautiful thing to connect with people all over the world, and… and continue to make those connections, and see where those connections go, you know?

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breck: to take the stories of them, create an art piece, and then how much people love them. As much as I do, as much love as me and my sister put into these, they love them too. You know, and every time they ring, that person's love is felt in the world. And you know what? If I am lying on my deathbed, and I know that I spread love into the world, and kept people's message going.

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Dwight: I love that you have been able to own that. There are people that won't go for what it is that you are putting out there, and they're… they're not…

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Dwight: I think it's important to build a community of enthusiasts that are going to have the same love, the same passion for what.

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Maddox: Yes, and I have the perfect response for the naysayers.

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breck: That's true. You know what? Maybe I'll make him a wind chime. Maybe that'll kill him with kindness, so I'm just… I'll just make you a wind chime. You can have one… if you're not… if you don't believe that that, I'll just give you one, and you can have one for free.

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Maddox: I think you're really onto something.

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Maddox: So, what's the… what's the goal? Okay, you talked about this, this big executive job. Is the… the… is… is it really this…

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Maddox: The way you want it to be long-term, or is there a point where you would love to leave the executive job and do full-time wind chimes?

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breck: I mean, that's my passion. Yeah, that's my passion, is, you know, when times. Now, what piece of it, you know, that is, everybody has their… their…

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breck: strengths, you know, if we… we… I think we, right now, have determined

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breck: with just me and my sister doing it, we have a max of how many we'll make a month. So, you know, that's… that's something, because we… we give each person

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breck: a lot of attention. It's not just the process of making the wind chime. I get on a call with every single person. Most of the times I'm on a call with them for an hour, because when you're talking about a loved one, and you're talking about something that is so near and dear to your heart.

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breck: you know, I'm not only taking a wind chime order, I'm listening to somebody's story and somebody's grief, and I take that very, very seriously. And so we put a lot of time and attention into it. So, it's hard to say, Maddox, whether that's gonna happen or not.

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breck: It depends on…

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breck: how many people out there love Love Love Chimes and want to build something that is

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breck: Very unique and custom.

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breck: Going back to the different strengths that people have, you know, I do all the talking to people and the communicating with all the customers. My sister kind of works behind the scenes. She's not a big, like… she won't get on social media or anything. She really likes the hands-on building piece of it, which we do jointly together.

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breck: So it depends on time. If I'm gonna be…

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breck: Talking to a lot of people and doing that thing, that would determine, too.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: At some point, there'll be an opportunity to look at how you could scale this.

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breck: Right.

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Maddox: You know, and there's people out there that teach and train that, so… Absolutely. You know, it's… it's about bringing more people on, and.

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breck: Yep.

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Maddox: Creating systems that.

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breck: That's right.

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Maddox: Support you and the team, and…

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Maddox: I just gotta say that there's not a doubt in my mind, after I have seen you do what you have done, that you can figure the scaling thing out.

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breck: Yeah.

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breck: My corporate job does give me the background to figure out how to do that, so that is one benefit that that does, so.

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Maddox: I discovered at one point in my life that every experience that I've had through.

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breck: Throughout my life.

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Maddox: The good, the bad, and the ugly has been all about preparing me for who I am and where I am right now.

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breck: Absolutely. I'm grateful for that every day.

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Maddox: Any of it that was wasted.

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breck: That's right.

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Maddox: the most.

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Dwight: Yeah.

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Maddox: painful experiences, you know, the traumas. There was this point where I finally realized, wow, I came to this place of…

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Maddox: of gratitude, because I wouldn't be who I am if I.

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breck: Yes.

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Maddox: lived through that experience. I wouldn't wish it on my biggest enemy, I wouldn't want to live through it again, but I also wouldn't trade for it.

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breck: Yep.

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breck: Yeah, and I think that, you know, just…

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breck: Love Chimes in itself kind of is a…

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breck: is a story of that, you know? Unfortunately, my best friend passed when I was 14, but look what her spirit carries on. I mean, it is a tragedy, and it was a very difficult time in my life, but…

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breck: It also…

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breck: made me who I am today, and it did… did spark a lot of passion and creativity in my life, yeah.

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Maddox: Greg, tell us a little bit about how community plays a role in your process.

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breck: Yeah, so…

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breck: community is big. We make custom pieces for, you know, weddings and anniversaries and memorials, and you know whenever somebody passes, there's a community that's surrounding you, and that community is…

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breck: Your people that love you, the people that love that person, the people that support you, and to be able to

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breck: provide joy, And a remembrance, and a gift to…

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breck: say, family members. So, one of my experiences is…

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breck: When somebody passes, of course, it's hard for the family, and we get to provide

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breck: A joyful moment to the family and the community that supports them with a very… tangible item.

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breck: And… you know, I think a lot of…

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breck: I've… I really pride myself on our…

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breck: unique, one-of-a-kind. You're never going to find any… it's made. Everything is our imagination, everything's our creativity, and…

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breck: I think that providing that to…

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breck: sometimes a family, which I consider a community, or friends, they all get to

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breck: joy, and it usually sparks some sort of joyful conversation with the community. It sparks some sort of,

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breck: Connection and community just by that one tangible item.

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Maddox: I love that. So what I'm hearing is that you're… you're talking about…

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Maddox: The community that comes together for the people who have had the loss.

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Maddox: And that's amazing, in and of itself.

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breck: Yes.

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Maddox: absolutely amazing. But… Move over a little bit and tell me about… The other side, which is…

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Maddox: the community that supports BRAC.

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breck: Yeah.

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breck: That, that's a story that I had for a long time. So, I've been working recently on the stories I tell myself. This is, I'm reading the book, or listening to the book, The Power That It… or Loving What Is.

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breck: And it's all about… I don't know if anybody's read it, but it's all about the stories that we tell ourselves, and then the stories we tell ourselves that we believe, right? And they're really good stories. Sometimes I can sit and tell myself a real good story, and I'm like, you are so right, Breck.

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breck: that's a great story, and we're going with it. And then, you know, when I take a step back and really look at it, I'm like, is that really? So I have, you know, been on my own for quite some time, so I've had this story for a long time that I don't have any support, and I have to do it all myself. And…

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breck: I love that you asked this, because I… I just recently had to be very vulnerable in a women's circle that I was in, and I had to let go of this story, Maddox, and I openly said to them, guys, I've had

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breck: a really big opportunity to stop telling myself this story that I don't have any support, and I sat and I named every single person in my life that has supported me, and thanked them, whether it was in just the smallest way, and…

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breck: It is so…

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breck: Something that you might miss in life if you really don't sit and think about the people that believe in you, and that cherish you, and support you, and spend time with you, and

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breck: My mom, she will come over and she'll,

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breck: we shine up, we get the metal, and it's like crap when you get it from the metal store, and we have to clean it, and shine it, and, you know, do all this stuff for it. And she'll come over on her days off, and she'll sit in the garage with me and my sister, and she'll shine wind chimes, and

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breck: You know, at one time we got, good.

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breck: collet on our… our CNC was, you know, messed up, and my sister's husband is a mechanic, and he came over and re-threaded the collet on, you know, and it's just…

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breck: The support is…

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breck: It's unbelievable. And the friends that tell people, my friends that do believe in me, and they'll get business for me. You know, my friend's a hairdresser, and she'll say, oh my gosh, my friend, she makes these wind chimes, and I'll get business from it, just by my friends believing in me.

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breck: And that is, that's something really cool, too.

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breck: To think about that my friends believe in me, and tell people about my business and support me.

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Dwight: Yeah. That's beautiful.

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Maddox: I want to speak to, for just a moment about the stories that we tell ourselves, because this is something I've studied, I've certainly coached people through this, and…

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Maddox: My theory is that Stories that we tell ourselves are nothing more than fantasies.

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Maddox: And I've worked with women most of my life, so this… this will make sense, but I… I would… I would ask a client,

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Maddox: You know, think about your fantasies for a minute. Think about your sexual fantasies.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: You know?

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Maddox: When you have sexual fantasies, do you ever lose in those fantasies?

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breck: No.

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Maddox: Do you pick an ugly dude?

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Maddox: Do you pick somebody that is terrible, in the lovemaking department?

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breck: No.

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Maddox: When we have sexual fantasies, we win in our sexual fantasies. Why is it that we create

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Maddox: Fantasies that, away from the sexual world, where we lose.

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breck: Yeah.

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breck: It's so true.

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Maddox: Any sense, yet we do it.

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breck: It's so true. I love that analogy, Maddox. I absolutely love that, and… Thank you for sharing that.

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Maddox: You know, I think that it makes it memorable, because we still live in a world where we say the word sex, and people go.

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Maddox: Like this, and so it may.

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breck: Damn.

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Maddox: more memorable, but it also does really… I mean…

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Maddox: We're not asking everybody to admit that they have sexual fantasies, even though we know they all do.

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Dwight: Well, it's only part of being human.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: being human.

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Dwight: I just want to give some relief to any of our listeners that are clutching their pearls.

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Dwight: And, circle back to how you made mention of how this great appreciation of the community that surrounds you was sparked by reading Loving What Is, and I'm assuming that's from Byron Katie.

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breck: Yes.

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breck: Yes, yeah. It really does…

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breck: It really makes you take a look at some of the stories you tell yourself. Yep, it's a great book. It's like you're always going, is that true?

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breck: I don't know. I made that statement, but… Probably not true.

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Maddox: You know, support from others

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Maddox: It has a lot to do with our ability to ask.

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Maddox: our ability to.

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breck: It does.

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Maddox: know that we need support. We kind of don't get supported, and we kind of expect people to read our minds, you know?

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Maddox: they don't know we need support unless we say, I need support.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: Support me in some shape, form, or fashion.

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Dwight: And sometimes we gotta be specific.

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Maddox: Very specific. You know, it's not enough to say, I just need support. What I needed the way of support looks like this.

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breck: You know?

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Maddox: All of my life, my dad, he's departed now, but my dad would say, those that don't ask, don't get.

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breck: Yep.

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Maddox: Because you ask doesn't mean you'll get it, but if you don't ask, you're guaranteed to not get it.

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Dwight: That's alright.

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breck: You know, taking that Maddox and circling back to who you had to become, you have to be able to hear no, and be okay with it, and move on. And you have to be able to

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breck: Be a person in life who can… can ask, can hear no, or hear the naysayers, and still continue to keep moving.

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Maddox: To be more specific, you had to become a person who would hear, nobody's gonna pay that for wind chimes, and this isn't a real job.

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Maddox: And to go ahead and walk away and do it anyway.

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breck: pandemic.

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Maddox: a person that didn't give any oxygen Right. Take that notion.

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breck: Right.

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breck: Yeah.

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Dwight: Yeah, thank you.

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breck: Yeah.

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Dwight: Yeah, it's.

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Maddox: You, you, you are quite the inspiration.

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breck: Thank you.

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Maddox: You're quite the inspiration.

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breck: Thank you.

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breck: I'm a lifetime learner, whether it's about myself or about building businesses, and…

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breck: I love sharing, and I love meeting people, and I love connections, and I hope that I can do this and hear about people and connections and love for the rest of my life. It's what drives me every morning and makes me grateful for

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breck: life, you know? How exciting to wake up and be like, what am I gonna get to hear today? What am I gonna… who am I gonna get to talk to today? I mean, it's… it's…

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breck: so amazing.

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Maddox: It is, I agree completely. So, we've got a few minutes left yet, and I have, you know, one more thing I want to cover before we go, and that is, I kind of want to know presently, as you do what you do, what you love.

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Maddox: What?

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Maddox: is the most challenging aspect of that, specifically? What challenges you most with Love Chimes?

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breck: So, what challenges me most with love times is probably the social media. That's a big challenge. I…

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breck: know that it needs to be done, and I am on board with it.

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breck: And have to continue to do it. I think that challenging also is balancing

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breck: my work, my love, my kids, my travel, you know? I mean, there's multiple things in my life that I have to balance to continue to do all the passions that I love.

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breck: And the answer is not to have less passions. I want all of them, and I want more. And I want to have every passion that there is, and chase it, and somehow balance it all.

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Maddox: Well, based on what you're telling me, you are a master at balancing.

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Maddox: thing we've heard, you know, the travel that you're doing, the… wow, you know? So this challenge of social media, you know you need to do it, but I can kind of hear a little…

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Maddox: Little… little bit of dread in your

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Maddox: So, let's… let's circle back one more time to the whole becoming thing.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: And let's look for a moment, and you tell us who you think.

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breck: you.

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Maddox: You need to become to… Be that person who is a sensation on social media at promoting her business.

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breck: You know, what I need to believe internally with myself is that my authenticity will bring the…

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breck: the… the audience, and if I'm just myself, Messy hair, no makeup.

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breck: whatever, talking about love chimes and just my passion, people are out there and they want to hear it, and if I can believe that story about myself and become that story, then I probably wouldn't have a mo… I probably wouldn't have a social media adversity.

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Dwight: Well, I…

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Maddox: I'm gonna take a… I'm gonna take a little bit of a shot here and say that I think that

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Maddox: You quite possibly need to become a person who absolutely loves being on social media.

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breck: Yes.

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breck: That's right.

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Maddox: He loves being on site. I've watched this in action. When we met, he did not have any public…

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Maddox: No social media, no.

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Dwight: I…

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Maddox: very private.

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Dwight: I had no digital footprint. Wow.

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Maddox: digital footprint, period. You could Google him, and nothing came up.

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breck: Wow.

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Maddox: And now, we are on how many social media channels, Dwight?

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Dwight: Well, we post daily on 12.

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breck: Wow.

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Maddox: beyond 12. So, in a given week, what's the average of

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Maddox: Videos that you record, either live or pre-recorded.

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Dwight: Well, given what I just said, in a typical week, we're going to have about 100 pieces of video content that are going to go out.

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Maddox: And does he love that?

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Maddox: Dwight?

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Dwight: it's a labor of love. It is something… it is an art in itself.

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breck: And it's…

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Dwight: It's amazing.

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Maddox: Does it take a lot? Yes. But he thrives doing this.

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breck: Wow.

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Maddox: that way, but he, he made that choice.

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Maddox: You know, becoming is choosing. We get to become anybody we want to be.

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Maddox: become. And it's all about making the choice.

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breck: Absolutely, and dwight, you're my hero, so I'm gonna have the inspiration of Dwight. Every morning I wake up, I'm like, what would Dwight do today?

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breck: he would post. He would make a video, and he would post, even if he didn't feel like it, and that's… I'm gonna have some… some inspiration for that.

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Maddox: Breck, do you do pre-recorded or lives?

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breck: I'm gonna be a little vulnerable right here. I don't know how to do a live, so it's pre-recorded, and it's posted.

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Maddox: I'm gonna suggest that you do lives.

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breck: Okay.

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Maddox: And the reason I suggest that is, you know, There's no second take.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: You know?

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Maddox: You know, if you do pre-recorded and you got this perfection thing going on, how many times would you record before you got.

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breck: That's right.

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Maddox: started doing videos, I knew I had that perfection thing going, and that I would re-record and re-record it.

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breck: I knew I would do that.

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Maddox: I never did pre-records.

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breck: Mmm.

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Maddox: doing videos, I went straight to the live, and I thought, you know what, if I… just like you heard me say my given name… Yeah. …at the very beginning of the recording, rather than what I go by, my Maddox is my last name. Oh, okay. But what I've gone by for

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Maddox: 12 years now.

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Maddox: And you saw me make that blooper right there, and just laugh about it and go right on, because that's who I am.

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breck: Yeah.

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Maddox: That's the real Maddox.

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Maddox: And when we polish things to the degree that people don't see the real us, they don't have anything to connect to, to latch on.

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breck: That's right.

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Maddox: You know, you're a person who, the people who are listening to this, not seeing it on video, haven't seen that you have chucked up at least 3 or 4 times

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Maddox: appeared during this, this video.

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Maddox: And that's real, that's who you are.

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Maddox: And that's the you that we all want to see and.

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Dwight: Yeah, and I think we've all…

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Maddox: Connects people to your wind chimes.

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breck: Yeah.

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Dwight: I think that we have that experience of seeing people that are trying their best to deliver the best impression that they think people want to see.

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Dwight: And to a certain degree, that's normal. We do that out of deference. We do it because we have immense respect for the gravity of the situation, for showing up as the right person.

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Dwight: But…

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Dwight: I think that we've been trained to make it so that we miss out on the opportunity to let our light shine, because that

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Dwight: People really want to see.

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breck: And that ties back to becoming that person, is…

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breck: not dimming your life, you know? There's a lot of us in our lives that have

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breck: been asked to dim our lives, and I have been told in my life many times, you're too much, Breck. And, you know, I embrace my too-muchness now. And when somebody tells me I am too much, I'm like, thank you. If you can't keep up, then…

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breck: scoot on over, because I'm gonna be too much for the rest of my life. I'm gonna travel too much, I'm gonna talk too much, I'm gonna make too many connections, I'm gonna make… I'm gonna just…

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breck: do it. Like, I want to be too much. I don't…

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Maddox: play it.

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breck: Want to walk through life not making an impact and doing everything that I do.

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breck: Too much with everything in my heart.

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Dwight: Good for you.

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breck: Too much is.

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Maddox: I'm too much, too. Do you know what too much is?

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Maddox: It's a polarizer.

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Maddox: it does one of two things. It either makes people scream and run in the opposite direction, or it makes them want to come and sit right next to me.

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breck: That's right. I mean, the saying is true, let your freak… if you can't let your freak flag fly, then the other freaks can't find you. So, I mean, that light is…

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breck: that light is, like, your radar going, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, where's my people? You know, like…

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Dwight: Well, and, you know, I frequently use this analogy of… it's like banging a tuning fork, and I think given the nature of what you do, you have a profound appreciation for this.

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Dwight: that sympathetic vibration is something that not only exists in that realm of just pure sound, but we see it in everything. We're looking for a signal that we can find

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Dwight: Find our people. Find those that we can be ourselves around and not have to feel fear that we're going to be corrected or told somehow that we're wrong.

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Maddox: Or too much. Criticized, yes.

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Maddox: Yes.

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breck: And once you get… I feel like, you know, once you find your people, and you get… you get that feeling of safety and your authenticity, and people love you for it, it's… now you're…

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breck: Now you're… when you get around people who aren't like that, you're like, okay, that's not…

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breck: it's not my… not in my world, you know? Like, and then you just kind of move on, like, and you realize that the people who love you and cherish you for all your ridiculousness, you know, and too muchness and not too muchness and all the things.

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breck: I think your body and your nervous system really

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breck: It has a sense of… of calmness when you find your tribe, and you find your people who love you, and… and…

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breck: Love you for all of you. And then your nervous system gets you away from people who don't support you like that.

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Maddox: Yes, yes, and yes.

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breck: Absolutely.

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Maddox: But do you have a website?

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breck: I do. It is www.love-chimes.com, so, there is a dash in between love and chimes. Yep, and we are on social media, and…

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breck: I don't have my social media, but it is Lovetimes. I think Facebook is like Lovetimes LLC, and then,

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breck: Instagram is Lovetimes528, and .

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Maddox: access to all of this. So guys, listening out there, what she said, that website is in the show notes below. There's also a link to her profile where you can see all of her profile, all of her

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Maddox: socials.

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Maddox: And, have access to that. So… This has been amazing.

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Maddox: Wonderful.

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breck: Thank you. Thank you for hearing my story, and having a passion, and just giving the space for me to, have a voice and speak my story. I really much appreciate it.

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Maddox: It's been our pleasure and honor.