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and that's the first time in my life when I I said yes to something I didn't even know how to do, except the contract, not having the skills, actually not having the but that woman had the massive faith in us and she's like you can do it, I know you can do it.
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You're gonna learn, you're gonna be good, like, just do what you want, what you're doing, and then, on the way there during the contract, you're going to learn and you're going to know I'm yes.
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Thank you for believing.
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Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love of Creatives podcast.
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I am your host, dwight, and I am joined by our other connectionsions and Community Guy Maddox, and today our featured guest is the wonderful Leticia Buffa-Rupp, also known as Leticia Chanel.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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We're so glad that you can join us.
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Wow, thank you so much for having me.
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It's an honor.
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We're so glad that you're here Now.
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I know that there's a whole lot that you have done over well, not a very long period of time.
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You're quite accomplished.
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I know that you have been involved in ballet.
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You've done aerial acts with the circus and um, circuses and um, you've done things with, uh, incredible beautiful photography.
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Um, I am just amazed at the, the beautiful art that I I see on your instagram, all of the things that you're doing and the beautiful books that you've produced, the, the latest one being unseen, yes, um, and I I could just scratch the surface, but could you just tell the, the people that are listening, a little bit about who you are and what you're about, just a like a two-minute sketch of of who you are?
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who am I?
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Uh?
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So, yeah, like you said, my name is leticia.
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I come from france.
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Uh, I am based in spain, but I do travel a lot for um, for my work, and I always did since a little, uh, when I started ballet at the Paris Opera Ballet School and then I did all my ballet school in Paris.
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I then performed all over Europe in national theatres as a semi-solist, a professional ballet dancer, and then, long story short, a lot happened in the ballet world and I decided to quit ballet and and I transitioned to acrobatics, which has been a big, big change for my body.
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So, yes, like you said, ground acrobatics and also aerial acrobatics with hoop and silks ground acrobatics and also aerial acrobatics with hoop and silks, and I have traveled up to 87 countries performing as a freelance acrobat, winning international circus competition and ballet competitions.
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And then I had my third transition, um to modeling, um, so this is my, since six years I am a freelance art model and, um, this is, I feel, like the moment where I'm like the most accomplished as an artist, because I get to to link all the skills that I gathered in my life with ballet with acrobatics.
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I'm also a yoga teacher, so I use the yoga poses for posing.
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And and now the world of photography is endless creativity, because every time I meet a new photographer, they are just like blooming ideas with locations, with outfits, with lighting, with um.
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And adding my posing to that, it's just like you feel like you've done it all and you haven't.
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So, yeah, just amazing way to like continue my artist life.
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Okay, so Leticia, inquiring minds want to know when do you sleep?
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I do sleep.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah, I do sleep.
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I try seven hours, seven to eight hours I try to have every night.
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Wow, that's a lot of balancing, though that's a lot.
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Yes, it is a lot.
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That in itself is a very unique skill to be able to do all the things that you are doing Wow.
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The one part which takes a lot of time, which is like during my lifetime, everything I've done is actually keeping the body in shape.
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So this is the most hours are spent on that, and everything is related.
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It's not just the actual workouts, it's also the diet that goes with it, it's also the mindset, the life choices, um.
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So yeah, and sleep is part of body recovery and being healthy and looking good and maintaining everything well, it's a lot and, just as we try to absorb you, you packed a whole lot in there, uh, with your, your entire history.
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You're you kind of packed in a life story and some of the highlights are I mean, you started this as a child, right?
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I mean like you were very much headed in a direction and this has been your life this whole time and your pivots are amazing for a lot of folks.
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I don't think that you even mentioned that you had to deal with a pretty serious surgery.
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Yes, two years ago I had a full hip replacement my left hip.
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It's been a lot to deal with.
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I don't know if you want to go in details into that part I can.
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Well are you still able to do the full range of acrobatics with a hip replacement?
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I'm not allowed to run anymore and I'm not allowed to jump because if I do I'm going to reduce the lifetime of the prosthesis.
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And before the surgery I was hyper extensive, like I was over split and over everything.
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My articulations were very, very, very flexible.
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So my mobility is reduced compared to that flexibility.
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So my mobility is reduced compared to that flexibility.
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But I am still able to do all my splits straight, clean lines.
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I'm not over anymore.
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But if you don't know, you don't know.
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That's still remarkable.
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You know, a moment ago, when you were talking about all the components the diet, the keeping your body in shape to do it, the mindset you rattled off a whole list of things that I hear that you really have that down, Like you.
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You have a system, you have it down and you manage all of it sounds like with ease.
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Has it always been that way, or was there a time when you didn't have all that in place?
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And I think that if there was a time when it wasn't that way, I think our listeners would love to hear how it was that you came from where you started to where you are now with all that balance, Because I can't imagine as a child, that you had all that in place.
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But please, yeah, well, as a child, ballet is all about discipline and consistency in training, right?
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So actually you learn that as a child.
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At school you learn everything about having the habits.
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So your day is like, so programmed and so consistent.
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Every day is the same you eat at the same time, you dance at the same time, you sleep at the same time, and all of that is just engraved in you as a kid.
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And the habits of like they tell you you must drink that much water, you should eat, that you should not eat, that you should stretch at this moment or don't you know whatever, don't eat sweets.
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And of course they watch your weight too, like crazy.
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So all of that it's engraved as a child.
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Because I was at Paris Operas, which is one of like it's actually the number one world ballet school, so it's like military.
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You have no choice, you just have to follow the program.
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They know how to train you.
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They know how to like condition you mentally.
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You're constantly also told that you are bad, that you are never going to make it, that you are too fat too, whatever.
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All of that is told every day.
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So they work a lot on mental strength checking, if you really want it, because ballet is so hard, it's so demanding for the body and for the mind that they test the kids already really young to check if they have really the will of becoming a professional.
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It very much sounds kind of like the military.
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I mean, I haven't been in the military but Dwight has the stories I hear.
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I've been at the ballet school.
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You know, so many people oftentimes go into the military to kind of get their life straightened out.
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And I'm hearing that you know, if you want maybe a not quite so extreme thing where the government's running you, if you want to get your life straight, you could take ballet, because it would teach you all those disciplines that you have learned.
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I mean, I have a close friend that's a ballerina, but she's never talked about it quite like that.
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I didn't.
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I mean, I knew that there was some strictness to it, but you're describing it on a completely different level.
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Yeah, paris Opera is quite extreme.
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Depends to which school she's been or with which teachers.
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Yeah, I don't know if they still do that Like I was there like 30 years ago or more, so I don't know what now they are allowed to do or not do with parents, and in that time we had no cell phones.
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There were no evidence of whatever happens.
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It was a different time.
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They could get away with murder basically.
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Yeah, they could, they could, but yeah.
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So all that discipline with um implementing habits and have daily habits, it all comes from the barbershop yeah, and I believe that the friend you were talking about was featured in episode seven sydney.
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Yes, yeah, oh, my goodness.
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Well, and the thing about mindset, about all those things that you brought on board, I know that one thing that we haven't talked about and we should take a chance, take an opportunity to share this.
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You actually work with people to share some of that, like you.
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You do coaching now too right now.
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I started coaching um, aspiring artists, uh, dancers, acrobat models, um to to follow the path that I've found as um, let's say like, when you know you have that time when you're on stage and you have that time as an artist, but you're like, okay, my stage time is kind of over, but, um, you still have the skills, you still have the need to create.
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So, yeah, the way I found with photography is just so amazing.
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And now I have quite a lot of people following me on Instagram that are like, wow, I want to do that too, and that are messaging me and asking, like, how I do it, how to handle photographers, bookings, travels, all the backside of the business and marketing and all of that so organically came.
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Just like you know, I started helping and then I started like more like coaching and, yeah, I'm really enjoying now sharing actually all my, my tips and tricks and my knowledge.
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It's uh, it's interesting to see through which struggles they are going through and and and helping and it's oh, go ahead dwight well, and I I just want to say you're really downplaying, uh, the the, the fact that you bring the whole package.
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When it comes to marketing, you are your master and it's not one of the things that you really toot your horn about, because you are you're doing so.
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Your marketing is so flawless that it speaks for itself.
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Like you are the proof.
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You have everything that you put out.
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It's curated to make sure that you're sending the message You're showing.
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This is what the modeling is all about.
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These are the kinds of things that I can do and, for photographers, this is how you can work with me.
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Like it's brilliant, it's beautiful, it's timed well.
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It's all just perfection.
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People could take a class to look at how it is that you get the word out and let people know what you can do.
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Thank you.
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Because when you do your own marketing, it's your.
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You don't see what people see and you don't know.
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You don't hear often how it's perceived, right like um, so thank you.
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I don't hear often feedback about this.
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So, leticia, I'm thinking about all of the podcast guests that we've had, and you share a story that's unique in that it sounds like from the time you started, when you were a child, how everything just unfolded smoothly and beautifully.
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But I think that you know, if we stop there, it may be hard for our listeners to relate, because few people experience just this perfect unfolding, and so I'd love and I think our listeners would too to hear the part of it that we don't often talk about the challenges that you went through through the years with each one of those reinventions of yourself, the hard things, what they were, and then how you moved through them.
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Well, I will say, the first big hit I had was the one at ballet school where we were weighted every day and being told that we were fat.
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It's something.
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It's a trauma for lifetime.
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I think I still have it Like I now don't want to stay on a scale, like I don't want to know how much I weight because I've been weighted all my life.
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I wait because I've been waited all my life, and that's a long-term trauma which is, I think, never gonna go away.
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Um, being told that you're fat when you're 10 years old, 11 years old and and and in all honesty, skinny actually yes, you, you've never been fat have you.
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No, I was not fat.
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I was far from fat being told that.
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So this is one of the big struggles that I had as a kid.
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The second one that I had to sacrifice is being away from my family, because the Paris Opera Ballet School was about a six-hour drive away from where my family was living.
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So at nine years old I had to leave my family and go live alone in Paris.
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So this is not something every family would agree on and not every kid can handle.
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So it's been a big, big sacrifice to go to achieve.
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To be a professional ballerina was a lot of sacrifice as a kid.
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Was that sacrifice that you made to leave your family and live alone?
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Was it truly your choice or was there other influences?
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No, I truly had the dream of becoming a professional ballerina as a kid.
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For me, it was like am I really going to be in a school where I can dance all day?
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Becoming a professional ballerina?
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As a kid it was something.
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For me, it was like am I really going to be in a school where I can dance all day?
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I was like, yeah, I'm going, that's it and I'm going to be a professional ballerina from it.
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Yes, okay, I'm going, like it was no.
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But of course, I cried a lot.
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I missed my parents, I missed my family, I missed, missed.
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But yeah, there were a lot of sacrifice to to achieve the goal.
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Right it?
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was where, do you think, that determination that you were just willing to do you know pretty much whatever you needed to do to see that dream.
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Where did that determination come from?
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I don't know.
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Are there other people in your life that are like that?
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Was it modeled to you?
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by friends or family members.
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I don't know where that determination came from.
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I just had this huge dream of becoming a professional ballerina.
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I guess the dream was the drive.
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You were unstoppable, and that's something that most of us find really, really desirable.
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But we made.
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I had a great support system from my family.
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They really, really supported my decision and they did everything for me to make it happen.
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Well, and then you probably had even though they told you you were fat every day at school.
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You had the support at school as well.
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And now we're talking about an element of community.
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Absolutely it doesn't matter whether it's friends or family, or whether it's even a paid practitioner.
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When we have people standing by us and supporting us, that is a form of community.
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It is, I would say, at school.
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They were not there to help at all the teachers or anybody.
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They were there to break you and check if you were really made for it.
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They were there to break your moral and break your mental health.
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They were not there to help.
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The support system was outside of the school.
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Wow, that had to be even harder because you were at school all the time.
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Yes, five days a week.
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It's a closed school.
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You're not even going out in the street Once you enter on Sunday evening.
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You don't leave until Friday afternoon.
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So you're not even in contact with anybody from the street for five days.
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You know, I've never heard of such a thing, I mean, this part of the story in and of itself is quite fascinating.
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It's like it almost sounds like a you know nuns in a convent or something.
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Pretty much it, yes Wow.
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Yeah, the only thing that I can relate to that comes close is when I went through reception and basic training.
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There's a period where we're closed off from the outside world.
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No, contact at all.
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Well, we had at that time.
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Like I said, we had no cell phones, yeah, we only had like a phone box with a card.
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Yeah, we were 100 kids in the school and we had four phones.
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So you could call like for five minutes, right, and it was a line and you spoke more than five minutes and the next kid was behind you and was like, hey, it's my turn.
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And then you could receive letters, yeah, in packages.
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This was the only way the external world could enter the school.
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So let's move on to the next big challenge.
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Next big challenge is when I actually became a professional ballet dancer and I met my ex-boyfriend, which used to be an excellent ballet dancer too, and we we auditioned for a company and the director knew exactly that we were a couple when we entered the ballet company and he took us both, gave us both a contract, a one-year contract.
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In Europe we have this thing that you have a three-month trial period and after the three-month trial period, any party can decide to continue or not.
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After the three months, then you're entitled to finish your contract for a full year.
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So after the three months, the director took me to his office and told me that he will keep me, but he would not keep my boyfriend and that basically, I will, he will be my boyfriend, oh yes.
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And I was like well, that's the deal.
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Well, he knew exactly that we were hired as a couple and that we were a couple when he met us.
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So that was not the plan.
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And that's like that's the moment where I lost all my, all my heart into the ballet world, because at that point, all these years of training just showed that, um, it's not only about talent.
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The ones that dance and the ones that are in front, they dance for other reasons, because at this point everybody finished a professional ballet school, everybody is professional, everybody has the technique, everybody has the, the abilities to be on stage professionally.
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And if you're the one dancing in front, it means you're doing something else than just dancing and just being talented wow, so there's a form of corruption going on in that whole thing yeah, absolutely it's.
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When you see somebody like because in ballet you have all these grades, you know, like a bit like in the military, actually um coming back.
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So yeah, when you see somebody going up quickly, you know why, um, it's not just talent that's so dark.
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Yeah, that's dark.
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I lost completely my.
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I lost my heart for ballet.
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I was like I'm not going to be playing those games and that's not why I learned what I've learned all those years.
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And it was not even crossing my mind that I would sleep with a director just to be on stage.
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So this was the one big turning point.
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So you both left the program.
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Excuse me.
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You both left the company at the same time.
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Yeah, we both left.
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Good for you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That would have been a hard choice for a lot of people to make you know, after all, that you'd worked for it.
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To walk away from it the season.
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Beginning of the season?
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Uh, ballet season.
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It starts in september.
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If you're not booked, if you're breaking a contract at the beginning of a season, you have to wait for season again, so you're basically jobless.
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If you're quitting in the middle of a season because nobody's going to hire you mid-season- Wow, that's rough.
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Yeah, the ballet world is not as pink as it seems.
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So is that when you pivoted away from ballet and started to get into the acrobatics?
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Yeah, we tried.
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With my expo, we danced a bit in Poland and then we did some ballet competitions and then we understood that it would be extremely complicated as a couple to find contracts.
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And yeah, we had, we got a really strange opportunity to do an audition in Paris for an American company and then it was a strange circumstances Actually, we didn't even want to do this audition.
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Our friends wanted to go to that audition but they had no car and we had a car like can you drive us to the audition?
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And then after the drive we felt like, oh, it would be good to stretch and move.
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And we're like, let's just do the audition and take a class.
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And while we did that, we actually got the job.
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So it was a very strange coincidence.
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And then they were hiring dancers.
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There was an audition for dancers and then after that was an audition for how they called adagio.
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So in ballet, adagio is when a man and a woman dance together and a duo and very slow music.
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It's like very lyrical, and with my ex-husband we used to do that in ballet, we used to do adagio.
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So when they they mentioned the adagio audition after dance audition, we were like, well, we can do that too.
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So we stayed and we auditioned for adagio.
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And then we realized when we stayed at the audition that actually they were not looking for ballet adagio, they were looking for acrobatic adagios.
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Because all those couples arrived and did crazy tricks which we've never seen.
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We were only doing the ballet lifts, you know like the basic ballet stuff.
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And then here we go, like there was this big guys flipping women around.
